John Lloyd is a television producer best known for his work on such comedy television programmes as Not the Nine O'Clock News, Spitting Image, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Blackadder and QI. He is also the presenter of the BBC radio 4 series "The Museum of Curiosity".

In this episode, Lloyd talks about growing up in a secular household but not calling himself an atheist, the role of comedy in presenting new ideas and challenging dogma, and what he's learnt from studying other religions - including from Sufi poetry.

This podcast is a project of Theos Think Tank (@theosthinktank) and is hosted by Elizabeth Oldfield (@theoselizabeth).