The Sacred

The Sacred

A podcast about the things we hold sacred, and how to talk to people different from ourselves.

Dina Nayeri on the experience of refugees and the nature of storytelling

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Dina is a novelist and also the author of the non-fiction book ‘The Ungrateful Refugee’.

In this episode, she speaks about her childhood in war-torn Iran, refugee hostels in Rome and eventually in Oklahoma, why many refugees feel the need to show why they were a good investment, the nature of storytelling and more.


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About this podcast

The Sacred is a podcast about our deepest values, the stories that shape us and how we can build empathy and understanding between people who are very different.

Each episode features a conversation with someone who has a public voice, from academics to journalists, playwrights and politicians. We ask them where they have come from, what they are trying to do and what might help heal our very divided public conversations.

The Sacred is hosted by Elizabeth Oldfield, director of Theos think tank.

For more information about the people and ideas behind the podcast, visit or follow us on Twitter @theosthinktank and @theoselizabeth.

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